“I can never really say that I’ve had a great meal on a plane.”

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Welcome to the next interview in our interview series where renowned mile and point gurus share their insights on having Big Travel with Small Money!

Miles & Points Interview:  This Week in Budget Travel

Jason is a school teacher who writes the This Week in Budget Travel blog.  He’s always had a passion for having Big Travel with Small Money and recently took his wife on a $20,000 honeymoon for virtually no cost.  Of course I wanted to find out more!

This week in budget travel - Interview with Jason

Stephi & Jason at Gettysburg

How and when did you start collecting miles and points?

Although the concept of travel hacking had occurred to me in 2004, it did not “click” as something I should be doing until 2010.  For some reason, I googled the term “Free Travel” and came across some websites.  The more I looked into it, the more I was referred to FlyerTalk.  As intimidating as that site was, over time I took the plunge and plowed through many thousands of pages of information on there.

I’ve never been wealthy and I’ve always been interested in traveling for cheap or free or very cheap.  There have been some weird things that I have done to get free trips over the years.  For example, when I was in college, I heard about a senior citizen’s group renting a bus to go up to Washington D.C. for some sort of protest.  So I emailed them, adopted their cause for a week, and went with them to DC.  While they were off doing their protest, I proceeded to see the sights and visit the museums.

Why did you start your blog? What’s special about it?

I started my blog really as a way of communicating my ideas with my friends and family.  As I began to accumulate more and more miles, people would ask me to explain it all to them.  So instead of telling the same story over and over, I decided to document much of it on my website.

What’s the one single thing people can do to get more miles?

In my mind, there are two types of people in this frequent flyer game.  Whales and sharks.  Whales swim around with their mouths open and get what they get.  A few cards here or there, a promo, and some shopping bonuses.  Sharks actively hunt and relentlessly search for new opportunities, no matter how odd the source.

Aside from credit card bonuses, I would say that it is important to always be looking and thinking.  I keep an “Idea List” which is now a few pages long, filled with ideas of possible methods to earn more miles.  While some did not work, some work great.  You just need to ask yourself with every thing that you do “How can I earn more miles doing this?”

You’ll find yourself putting together strategies from all aspects of your life.  Remember to be modest though, as with anything, greed can kill any good deal.  Be creative and see if strategies that worked for one thing will work for another.

What’s your most memorable travel experience?

Hands down, my honeymoon.  We had an amazing time and made some great friends while travelling.  It was such an amazing experience that I even decided to make a movie about it to share.

We stayed in 4 & 5 Star hotels for 3 weeks, as well as rented an apartment.  We flew in First/Business class.  It was all on points & miles, with our only expense being food and entertainment.

Aside from the trip being free, we made a ton of friends on CouchSurfing (a social networking site designed for meeting people on your travels).  After meeting them, & spending the holidays with them, I formed friendships and connected to the destinations much better than I would have been able to if I were on my own or with a tour.  One of them I am visiting in London on an upcoming free trip.

What do your family and friends think of your miles & points hobby?

I have a very obsessive personality type, so at first they just thought that this is just another thing that I’m obsessed with (which it is), but then when they saw how much travel I would be doing because of it, they wanted to get in on it.  Now, all of my family and friends are coming to me for advice on these things… hence, the website!

Of course, there are some who feel that it is just a giant scam and that its wrong or illegal, but I understand that that is simply the first hurdle to entering our world.  I actually like listening to people criticize our hobby, I’m always curious to hear how the rest of the world views our hobby.  My favorite critique is when people refer to us as the “Extreme Couponers of Travel”.

Is there any tool or trick which you’ve found especially useful in this hobby?

Have a network.  It is important to have a network of people that you can bounce ideas off of when you come up with something.  There have been a few times that I would have gone in on something, but then reconsidered due to a circumstance that a friend had pointed out to me.  I suggest attending the Chicago DO or the Frequent Traveler University in NYC to meet people who you can connect with.  I’ve gained a bunch of ideas from friends as well.

This week in budget travel - Interview with Jason

Friends in Barcelona

What was the least expected way you’ve earned miles or points?

Of course the US Mint was a pretty sweet deal while that lasted.  When you’re into this stuff everyday, not much comes as a surprise,  but I’ve heard some pretty crazy mileage runs.  For me though, it would be going to almost every gas station, convenience store, liquor store, and grocery market in my area to see which ones will sell money orders to me on a credit card.  They do exist!

What do you now know about collecting miles and points which you wish you knew when you started out?

When you find a deal, hit fast and hit hard!  Don’t be shy if you don’t have a ton to lose.  Use your creativity to actively find and create new methods of earning miles.

What would your readers be surprised to know about you?

I don’t like flying.  First class or coach, it doesn’t matter, I really do not enjoy it.  Airport lounges offer free snacks, but I don’t like snack food.  Airplanes have recycled air that feels nasty after a while.  I can never really say that I’ve had a great meal on a plane.

Even lie flat seats, I can’t really get a sleep in them where I wake up feeling rested.  If I had a choice (or the means to), I’d rather sail across the ocean and feel the size of the Earth.  The idea of taking a train like the Trans-Siberian Railway appeals to me so much more than being in a plane.

Any parting words?

BE CREATIVE!!!  Aside from credit card sign ups, the most lucrative and longest lasting mileage earning opportunities that I’ve had over the years were ones that I came up with myself.  Always be searching, always be thinking, always be asking yourself if there is a way to earn more miles doing things you already do.  Don’t just rely on credit card sign up bonuses, as we all know they are too unpredictable.  Free travel can come in many different shapes and forms.

This week in budget travel - Interview with Jason

Getting Interviewed by the Travel Channel

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23 responses to ““I can never really say that I’ve had a great meal on a plane.”

  1. We need more info on the Travel Channel interview 🙂

  2. I found it offensive that he would pretend to have the same political agenda as the people who rented the bus to Washington, D.C. and then just use them for the ride there and did not participate. This really crosses the line for me.

    He also keeps talking about other ways to be creative, but he doesn’t reveal them. I really have to wonder if he is crossing a line in some of his other activities, too.

  3. I think I wanted to be offended by the bus trip to Washington DC at first, but I just found it too funny. Plus, when I think of all the things I did in college to save a dollar…….

  4. I agree with e. murphy. Being creative is great but taking advantage of senior citizens? 🙁 seems a bit much, and I can’t help imagining a bunch of old folks excited to have a young fellow on their team, who is actually taking advantage of them

  5. Yeah that guy is a $&##. I also find it alarming that our next generation is being groomed by this clown who clearly lost his moral compass sometime during that bus ride to dc

  6. I like the idea list. I keep meaning to start one, but it just turns into random notes here and there. Even with an iPhone in my pocket, I think the Notes app is the one I use the least.

  7. there’s nothing wrong with riding along with protesteds, they’re there to protest the government to expand they’re own benefits at the taxpayers expense. whats good for the goose is good for the gander, and what goes around comes around.

  8. David,
    You have No idea what the seniors were there for, the OP didn’t say. You are justifying his behavior with silly platitudes.

  9. Great article, thanks for the money order tip.
    On a funnier note, the seniors must have enjoyed having some young blood and fresh vibe on board.

  10. Dude, you are easily offended.
    It is a college kid who wants to go to DC but doesn’t have the means and makes friends with old people along the way. I smiled when I read this because I know that they loved having him along. Young people treat the elderly as if they have a disease to be avoid.
    And they are lonely! So you people are looking down your noses at him for mistreating them and yet they are isolated from you and lonely. He’s the only one who spent time with them. And again… as a kid in college.
    And you act as if it’s immoral to not be political. He clearly doesn’t care about politics. Stone him!
    Again, a college kid. Chill.

  11. Yes, those poor old seniors who are desperately lonely (politically active in a group on a bus) are so desperate for companionship they don’t mind being taken advantage of. It’s okay, because it’s a “fresh, young college kid. All seniors are so “isolated” that being taken advantage of is an absolute blessing.

    Could you possibly be more condescending?

  12. I find it disturbing that a teacher would lie to get a free bus trip to DC, and would also rip off the government with the mint “deal.” (I assume he didn’t spend the coin dollars and simply went straight to the bank). Is he teaching his students that doing things that are wrong or even illegal simply “entering the world”?
    What kind of example is he setting for students? Somethings are more important than saving money.

  13. “When you find a deal, hit fast and hit hard!”

    Exactly why someone like this will only be getting deals like the Mint. He will never get a PM from anyone with this type of attitude. Jason you are EXACTLY the reason deals get killed. They are greedy and selfish and full of !#$%. It’s called getting your feet wet on a deal and finding out what the limits are so that it can last longer for you. I am not going to say what I personally think of this person, but he brings nothing helpful to the table and to me this was a one off trip where he probably depleted all of his miles and points and has to start back at 0 and work his way back up.

    If this guy was smart he would not hit a deal hard and quick. He would work it in a way that would allow him to gain even more miles/points over time. Also, for me it seems like he is seeking attention as he already shared his story with frugal travel guy with the exact same story and lack of details. Completely lying that this was a free trip. He still had to pay taxes and such, though he says that does not count. You will never be a successful travel blogger in that you don’t know how to detail your actions to they can be reproduced by others, aren’t up front about what you had to pay out, and the fact that you have little experience in this game to be giving others advice.

  14. You people have got to be joking…
    A teacher when he was in college. And the mint offends you? Dear lord you are some holy rollers. Does extreme couponing burn you up?
    The poor government shipped coins to someone who didn’t really want them. :'( And they would never hurt anyone. When he teaches basic math all the kids here is how to screw old people.
    This guy is going to hell for sure.

    The reality is that we all have the means to buy a ticket to DC when ever we want, money or miles. Clearly he didn’t. He could be the nicest guy but we should all judge him based on the little we know about him.

  15. You people are mean.

  16. “Does extreme couponing burn you up?”

    It doesn’t burn me up, but I’ve seen it proven that some of the people on the TV show related to couponing are using fraudulent practices, which seems not too far from what he did when he was in college. The fact that he mentions it here and is bragging about it seems to question how great of a role model he might be for children.

  17. These interviews are getting boring.

  18. Ordering coins from the mint isn’t fraudulent… at all. They gladly shipped coins and for free.
    I forgot that it’s political season in the states. Now is a good time to be mad at people for petty things.

  19. They gladly shipped the coins for free for with the intention that those coins would be put into circulation, not simply straight to a bank and then sent to vaults. They did it because coins last much longer in circulation than paper bills and the idea was to save taxpayers money.

    Also, IIRC, people who ordered the coins were supposed to certify that they understood that this was the intention and they weren’t going to just go straight to the bank with them.

    That wasn’t legally binding, and it wasn’t fraud, per se, but it was morally wrong, taking advantage of the government for personal gain. And teachers are gov’t employees and examples for students; they should have more respect and integrity than that.

    It’s pretty obvious you did the same thing. You wouldn’t be so defensive of it if you didn’t know -deep down-you shouldn’t have done it and it was wrong.

  20. You have got to be joking…

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  22. Try not eating anything for 48 hours prior to your plane trip. The meal served onboard, even in coach will be a meal you will cherish.
    The same goes for your onboard comfort. Try not sleeping for 48 hours before going on your plane trip. You will sleep like a newborn baby during your entire flight!
    Try these travel tips, they are free and work with every person I know.

  23. Anytime a debate is started about the exact location of the ethical boundary line of earning frequent flyer miles, I refer to my own general perspective. Doing anything, and I mean absolutely anything, to earn frequent flyer miles that goes beyond and outside of the intentions the distributor of the miles had, then you are “taking” money from the distributor. If a credit card company offers a big signup bonus, they are trying to attract new accounts with the offer so they can make money off of these new accounts in the long run.

    Say John Q. Miler signs up for a credit card, earns the bonus, and sticks the card in the drawer never to be seen again, he is “costing” the issuer hundreds of $ for his “misuse” of the credit card. However, there is virtually no one who has a problem with CC bonuses and taking advantage of them because “the banks will screw you every chance they get, so why not do it to them some.”

    But in the case of the Jason in this article, he tags along with a political group. The article never says he went for free. He may have made a donation to the group for all we know. Was the bus already rented? Yes. Was the bus already going to DC? Yes. What did he really cost the group? The extra gas expense for a 200lb body on a 20,000lb vehicle … so probably no more than a gallon or two.

    Not everyone’s moral compass points in the same direction. Do what you feel comfortable and let others do the same.

    I got in on the Mint deal about 6 months before it was over. I tried to use $100 of every $1000 I ordered. In total, I ordered probably $30k for the purpose of meeting CC spend requirements. Beyond that, I thought it was an ordeal to get them to the bank every few weeks, but I didn’t think it overly wrong because the Mint was going to produce them whether people bought them or not.
    I have, on a select few occasions, bought items through reward malls with the intentions of returning them and keeping the miles. The is a morally dark grey area for me as it doesn’t sit very well, but was also done to meet a CC minimum spend.
    I have processed payments through the likes of Amazon Payments and PayDivvy to meet minimum spends, but haven’t used them much beyond that.
    And obviously, I have had quite a few credit card apps … no problem with those either.